“And that’s what we really need right now,” Driscoll continued. “Everybody who’s coming out of Bible college, seminary, everybody who’s coming out of some sort of established political party is just a neutered, compromised beta-male. And we need more Elijahs.”
Kirk replied, “Yeah, it’s a bunch of cowardly eunuchs calling themselves pastors.”
“And what you get in denominations,” Driscoll went on to say, “you get these Ahab, passive, weak, woke, cowardly pastors that will tell you what they’re for but not what they’re against. And they’re not up for the fight.”
Driscoll on What Motivates ‘Woke’ Pastors
Kirk asked Driscoll, “What motivates your typical woke pastor? I’m talking about the skinny jean-type, the people that never actually teach the Word…what drives them into the ministry?”
“Some are cowards and they took the job because it’s indoors and doesn’t require any heavy lifting. Some guys were over-mothered and under-fathered, and so they feel at home in the church like they did in their mom’s house,” Driscoll replied. “Some guys, they have church hurt and they’re bitter and they’re deconstructionists and they just need to get over their hurt and grow up and be a grown man. For some of them, they’re just poorly read and they’ve spent more money on their wardrobe than they have their library.”
Further describing what he sees as the moral decline of seminaries, Driscoll said, “It’s like gravity. Gravity never pushes things up. It only pulls things down. If you believe that we live in a sinful, fallen, and cursed world, the force of gravity is down.”
“So every institution veers left. Some go fast, some go slow, but all go left and all go down,” Driscoll opined.
Later, Kirk asked Driscoll to give advice to people attending churches with “woke” pastors.
“Get the hell out,” Driscoll quickly replied. “If you see that he is weak and woke, then who he is is worse, because all you’re getting is a portion of who they truly are and what they truly believe. And what happens with weak and woke pastors—they keep moving the line until there is no line.”
Driscoll went on to cite the issues of abortion and LBGTQ+ inclusion, noting that both have become more widely accepted in the broader culture as time has gone on.
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“So if your pastor is good at going backward and not forward, it’s only a matter of time before he backs himself off a cliff. So don’t follow him,” Driscoll said.
