What I would say to a church leader: you have to have a circle of people that you can be fully known with. Because the temptation as a leader is to not tell anybody anything, because you’re so afraid of people looking at you as less than, or because they think you’ve got it all together. So you’re destined to fail if you don’t have people who know everything about you. And not just a little confession session, but like you’re seriously living fully integrated with others. These are a group of guys or girls that you can just cry and bawl in tears in front of where there’s no shame. So, church leader, who are those people? Because it’s going to affect your ability to lead.
A transparent, vulnerable, humble person is going to make a good leader. We’re not looking for people who fit the mould of perfection and have it all together. We’re looking for people who can embrace that they’re frail and need people to confide in so that they can avoid a lot of the pitfalls that come with being a leader. That would be my word to them.
Andy: That’s hard to do in the current structure that we have. I think you need to lead with vulnerability, and that’s hard to do when a building, people’s salaries, everything is dependent on you being morally perfect. So that’s why what Lecrae saying is so important.
Lecrae: That building and those salaries are not on you. They’re on God. And that’s why you need to humble yourself and take yourself out of that space to realize what God established. He will still maintain. You’re not building His kingdom. He’s building it. You were never the architect of [His Kingdom].