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In Leaked Call, Hillsong Founder Brian Houston Details ‘Narcissistic’ Carl Lentz’s Firing

Karim told “Good Morning America” on Nov. 20 that she and Lentz had carried on their affair for five months.

In a reply to Lentz’s Instagram post, Esther Houston, Joel Houston’s wife, implied that, despite his admission, Lentz’s behavior was “ongoing.”

“Amazing to see all the support being poured out for this despicable ongoing behavior,” she said in the comment. “Listen. I’m not gonna play this game. I fully denounce this and will make no excuses for it. You’ve been dealt a good hand, and you played it wrong.”

Houston said the affair first came to his attention after a staff member found a compromising chain of texts on Carl’s computer. Tolu Badders, Hillsong’s East Coast chief operating officer, then contacted Houston late at night, he said.

On Nov. 12, Houston announced an independent investigator would review the “inner workings” of Hillsong’s New York City branch. According to a statement to RNS on Nov. 13, the church said Houston had “heard from a number of people about their experiences and concerns.”

In the leaked audio call, Houston said a member of the church’s global board listened to staffers’ stories about Hillsong East Coast over two or three days. The sessions raised serious questions about the health of the culture at Hillsong East Coast.

“Carl is an extremely hard man to confront,” Houston said. “It’s not as if people weren’t being heard, but it’s a situation where it’s almost impossible to get an issue raised. And the messenger was usually the one who became the enemy.”

Relatively unknown before taking the helm of Hillsong NYC, Lentz, 42, became a media darling for his hipster clothes, tattooed arms and celebrity congregants, including Justin Bieber and his wife, Hailey Baldwin Bieber, as well as the Jenner sisters. Lentz was one of a number of pastors GQ Magazine described as “hypepriests,” who lead churches frequented by celebrities.

Lentz was raised in Virginia and played basketball at North Carolina State. He moved to Los Angeles to attend King’s College and Seminary, then headed to Australia to join Hillsong’s training program, Hillsong College, where he met his wife, Laura, who was a family friend of the Houstons.

In the call, Houston disavowed the rumors that Laura had also been fired by Hillsong after Lentz’s termination.

“That’s a media story that isn’t true,” he said. “We didn’t ruthlessly fire someone because of her husband’s sins.”

But, Houston said, Laura was already in the process of resigning. And as the couple has since reportedly moved to Los Angeles, “clearly her role has come to an end anyway,” he said.

On the call, the church leaders described ways they are and plan to continue caring for the Lentz family, “as much as they are letting us care for them.”

The leaders said they are negotiating a severance package the Lentzes have not yet accepted.

“The purpose of that is to help them through this time.”

Houston ended his time on the call by saying he didn’t want to give the impression Lentz was all bad.

“Carl was a passionate character. He was extremely gifted. I think he genuinely, genuinely does care for lost people, hurting people,” Houston said. “I’m certain there are people here at this meeting that it was Carl Lentz that led you to Jesus. So I don’t want anyone to think that we can’t see any good.

“But it was a situation,” Houston added, “that was becoming more and more untenable.”


Article written by Roxanne Stone. This article originally appeared on ReligionNews.com.