Phil: Many pastors hire executives right out of secular business to be their executive pastor and that often fails. Why should an executive pastor also understand the world of ministry?
Mike: An executive pastor is not the administrative pastor, nor is he the CFO. Above all, he is a minister of the Gospel with a wide variety of ministry experience within the church. He must be a servant leader. Business and finance should only be 10 percent of what he oversees. While there are business aspects in a large church, the church is a body of believers and not just a corporation.
Phil: On the other hand, do secular business skills help an executive pastor?
Mike: Yes, business and financial skills are important but are only one aspect of overseeing a church. I would rather a church hire a spiritual leader to oversee the business aspects of the church than a business leader to oversee the ministries of the church. A true XP oversees all aspects of the church and business/finance is just one of those areas. Now, I do think it is important that he has a grasp of the business end of the church, but if not, he can always hire a CFO. Those are actually much easier to find than a good executive pastor.
Phil: In your experience, why do you think so many executive pastors fail?
Mike: One reason is they try to manage spiritual problems and spiritualize managerial problems, while neither should be attempted. I also believe they fail due to a weak prayer life; a lack of humility and servant leadership. Another reason is the inability to see the forest for the trees—they don’t delegate well, don’t know how to lead people, staff and laymen. However, not having a good working relationship with a pastor who trusts you is probably the biggest cause of failure.
Phil: How important is the ability to lead a team?
Mike: The ability to lead is crucially important. I wish every executive pastor would take time to read two books, Dale Carnegie’s How to Win Friends and Influence People and Oswald Sander’s Spiritual Leadership. Master the concepts in these two books, spend time daily in the Word and on your knees, and you will be able to lead a team. Influence is paramount in the role of executive pastor and is reflected in building strong relationships with staff and lay leaders. In the process, the vision is spread to others, thus expanding the foundation of leaders and followers. The XP must be capable of leading the staff and lay leaders to effectively carry out their respective ministries. He should not be concerned about his own success but focus on making others successful. The executive pastor should encourage, empower and provide resources to the various ministries and staff. In essence, instead of driving just one bus, he creates a fleet of busses with drivers all moving in the same direction as they fulfill the mission of the church.
Phil: To what do you attribute your long relationship with Pastor Jack Graham?
Mike: The grace of God. Jack’s expectations in me have driven me to be the best I can be. Even after 28 years with my pastor, I am still learning, but each year gets better, more fulfilling and hopefully more effective. From early on, I felt he had great confidence in me, trusted me, believed in me. I always knew I had his support and he had my back. Even when I made mistakes he found a way to encourage me.
Phil: If there was one encouragement you’d give to executive pastors who are struggling in their job, what would it be?
Mike: I would tell struggling executive pastors to take the time to develop a good working relationship with your pastor. There is no substitution for the time it takes to build confidence, trust and loyalty. Continually remind yourself of what John 3:30 says: “He (Jesus) must increase, I must decrease.” Zig Ziglar said it this way: “You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want.” Executive pastors will struggle until they grasp the importance of building trust among their team and focusing on facilitating their ministries in conjunction with the pastor’s vision.
