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Alan Hirsch and Mark Nelson: Being at Peace with the Mystery of God

“I can sit down and have a discussion with anybody about, ‘You know what? This world is broken. I would love to see it made right.’ I don’t care who they are, where they come from, that’s a deep longing in all of us.”

“What frames do we need to put around the message that we’re telling, the conversation we’re having, the postures we’re taking that will communicate something different than they’ve experienced before?”

“Most evangelicals stop their learning about God probably at Sunday school level…There isn’t a hunger to know more.”

“All I know is not all there is…We’re continually searching because all we know is not all there is and we cannot stop and be content at any point in all that.”

“My goal is not to give three points and a poem and have the people feel like they’ve walked away with answers to their latest felt need. I think, practically speaking, if you leave with more questions than answers on a Sunday gathering from us, I will have succeeded. But if you leave with the answers, I will have failed.” 

“We want to be a place where people are allowed to wrestle with the bigness and the mystery of God.”

“We need to look to arts often for assistance [in helping people to deeply experience God].”

“If we don’t know how to read poetry, how much of the Bible are we missing?”

“I feel like some of the prophets of our day are the comedians who are speaking truth with humor into this broken world, and I think we need to learn what it is they’re communicating and how they’re communicating.”

“This idea…of lovingly listening to your city, to the people that you’re trying to reach is very important so we can speak with a cultural resonance.”

“We don’t know how to tell good news because we’ve only got one angle on it.”

“I think we’re afraid of what it might mean if we go a little bit deeper. I think we’re a little afraid of what it might mean in our own lives. I think maybe we’re afraid of having to work too hard sometimes.”  

“I should not be their ‘Bible Answer Man’ as a pastor. I should be one who is wrestling through the Scripture just as they are, alongside them.”

“It’s time for us to go on a journey of renewal…I think it’s done together with other leaders.”

“Find a learning community to be a part of. Find a way to wrestle through this together.”

“We’re telling our story to each other. And if we can find ways to learn together and grow together and ask these questions together and don’t feel like we have to leave with the answers when we leave, just in those learning communities, I think that’s a start toward the right direction.”

“The Holy Spirit is with us…Jesus said he would lead us into all truth. We can trust the Holy Spirit to do that. We follow Jesus. You can’t go wrong if you become more like Jesus. Stay as close as you can.”

Mentioned in the Show by Alan Hirsch and Mark Nelson

Acts 7
Acts 17

Brad Brisco
Burning Man Festival
Crossings, a faith community
Dietrich Bonhoeffer
Eugene Peterson
Gregory of Nazianzas
N.T. Wright
Protestant Reformation
Reframation: Seeing God, People, and Mission Through Re-Enchanted Frames by Alan Hirsch and Mark Nelson
St. Augustine

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Jason serves as the Chief Strategy Officer at PastorServe, a ministry committed to strengthening the Church by serving pastors through personal coaching and church consulting. He also hosts FrontStage BackStage, a podcast and YouTube show, that helps pastors embrace healthy, well-balanced leadership as they develop a sustainable rhythm for life and ministry. Prior to joining the PastorServe team, Jason served as Vice President of Ministry Mobilization at Outreach, Inc., and as the Executive Director of the National Back to Church Sunday movement. Additionally, Jason served for nearly two decades in pastoral leadership, primarily as a lead pastor, in several contexts, including church plant re-launch, multisite church, multiethnic urban church, and an established suburban church. His experience as a lead pastor has provided numerous opportunities to coach and mentor pastors across the country. Jason and his beautiful wife, Monica, are the proud parents of six children and live on Anastasia Island, Florida. @jasondaye