In the final clip, a woman asked:
Why do most Black people have the same religion as these white nationalist, racist, white supremacist-type people? Why do we think that it’s good for us when they stole everything about us, made us forget our languages and our own religions and our own things and then forced us to be Christians? And this is why I believe that Christianity is witchcraft. It is a spell. They told [that] you your religion, your spirituality that you had before you got colonized was demonic. And we still believe them.
The woman added that she doesn’t need Christianity to have spiritual experiences or to tap into her gifts. “I tap into the god that’s inside of me and use the gifts that God gave me,” she said.
In response, Mason reiterated that Christianity was present in Africa “long before the transatlantic slave trade.”
“The whole idea that Christianity was forced on us, they got to stop. That’s a bad narrative,” he said. “Was a false form of Christianity later propagated and controlled? Yes. But Christianity wasn’t beat into [Black people].”
Pointing to Galatians 3:1, Mason said those kinds of notions equate to witchcraft and rebellion. “There’s such a trauma around Blacks in America’s relationship with the way Christianity is perceived and branded,” said the pastor. “So [the faith is] seen as an enemy, not a companion for freedom.”
Many influencers don’t realize that when you’re “illegitimately accessing the spirit realm…you’re bringing things into your life that keep you blinded to the gospel,” Mason added.
Lecrae mentioned inviting a former witch on his podcast, as well as debates about Christians doing yoga. “What I hate about us sometimes,” Mason said about Christians, is that “we don’t want to have no caution.” The two men agreed about the danger of spiritual laziness.
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With many hot topics in Black culture—from crystals to ancestral masks—Pastor Mason said, “I just want to leave it alone, bro. I probably just don’t even want to figure out if it’s redeemable…We ain’t got to do all that. I ain’t trying. I don’t want the smoke.”
