“And they pull them out and they’re versions of stories from the Bible,” said Rogan. “So these people have been telling these same stories for thousands of years. Like, well, ok, what were they trying to say?”
“That’s what’s interesting to me,” he said. “I don’t think it’s nothing. I think there’s something to it. And there’s a reason why it resonates with people.”
“And Christianity in particular is the most fascinating to me,” Rogan shared, “because there’s this one person that everybody agrees existed.”
Moreover, this person “somehow or another had the best plan for how human beings should interact with each other and behave and was the best example of it and even died in a nonviolent way, didn’t even protest, died on the cross supposedly for our sins,” he observed. “Like, it’s a fascinating story. What does it represent though? That’s the real thing. What was that? Like, what happened? Who was Jesus Christ if it was a human being? What was that? That’s wild.”
“Well, Jordan’s idea…as I understand it,” said Kisin, likely referring to Dr. Jordan Peterson, with whom Kisin toured in 2024, “is that the point of the story, if you like, is it’s about voluntary self-sacrifice.”
“It’s about the fact that to have a good society,” Kisin said, “people have to be willing to sacrifice something of themselves for others. And that’s what Jesus is and that story is supposed to inspire in all of us.”
“Well, but it’s a historical human being, too, though,” Rogan countered. “It’s a historically documented human being. That’s where it gets weird cause there’s a universal depiction of what this human being was like that doesn’t seem to vary that much between all the people that knew him. That gets weird.”
“You know,” said Foster, “if you go to Jerusalem, you can go to the Garden of the Gethsemane. And for those people who don’t know, that’s where Jesus was arrested by the Roman soldiers. It still exists. You can go there 2,000 years later.”
“And you just literally walk around this place,” he said, “You’re just like, my god. Like the connection to those stories, it’s just, it’s right there. And also, I think that the lessons that you learn from going to church are incredibly profound.”
