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Clay Scroggins: How to Be a Great Leader When You Are Not in Charge

Clay Scroggins

Clay Scroggins is the lead pastor of North Point Community Church, providing visionary and directional leadership for all of the local church staff and congregation. Clay works for Andy Stanley and understands firsthand how to manage the tension of leading when you’re not in charge. Clay holds a degree in Industrial Engineering from Georgia Tech as well as a master’s degree and a doctorate with an emphasis in Online Church from Dallas Theological Seminary.

Key Questions:

Tell us about your journey to becoming lead pastor at North Point Community Church.

We all answer to someone, how should that affect the practicality of our ministry?

Why is identity the key to leading the way God wants?

How do we understand our core identity without getting caught up in what other people say about us? 


How can a staff pastor facilitate those in charge seeing his or her vision?

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Key Quotes:

“The principles of leadership work if you have authority or if you don’t. If you don’t have authority, all you have is to use influence.”

“The best leaders lead with influence even when they have authority.”

“I thought the more authority I got, the easier my job would be. It’s not true. It was very discouraging.”

“If I don’t have a core identity that is deeply rooted in who God says that I am, I’m going to wake up every day discouraged and feeling like a failure and feeling like this is too hard because leading change is very difficult.”

“Leadership is not a list of do’s and don’t’s, ultimately it’s all about the leader, it’s all about who you are.”

“Core to being a leader is believing that I have a father in heaven who believes that when I walk in the room it gets better.”

“You need an odd dynamic between this insatiable desire for growth and change and progress and then this steady patient content faithfulness in the role you’re in.”

“Emotional poise is an attribute of great leaders, especially when you don’t have authority.”

“We learn so much through bad leaders because we learn what we should not do.”

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Jason serves as the Chief Strategy Officer at PastorServe, a ministry committed to strengthening the Church by serving pastors through personal coaching and church consulting. He also hosts FrontStage BackStage, a podcast and YouTube show, that helps pastors embrace healthy, well-balanced leadership as they develop a sustainable rhythm for life and ministry. Prior to joining the PastorServe team, Jason served as Vice President of Ministry Mobilization at Outreach, Inc., and as the Executive Director of the National Back to Church Sunday movement. Additionally, Jason served for nearly two decades in pastoral leadership, primarily as a lead pastor, in several contexts, including church plant re-launch, multisite church, multiethnic urban church, and an established suburban church. His experience as a lead pastor has provided numerous opportunities to coach and mentor pastors across the country. Jason and his beautiful wife, Monica, are the proud parents of six children and live on Anastasia Island, Florida. @jasondaye