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Kyle Idleman: How Pastors Miss the Grace of God

Kyle Idleman

Kyle Idleman is Teaching Pastor at Southeast Christian Church in Louisville, Kentucky—the fifth largest church in the country with over 20,000 in attendance every week. Kyle is a sought-after speaker for regional and national conferences and the author of four books including the bestsellers Not A Fan, The End of Me, and Grace Is Greater. Kyle and his wife, DesiRae, have four children.

Key Questions:

You talk about grace being greater when you experience it rather than trying to explain it. Can you unpack that for us?

Why do you think pastors, in particular, struggle with experiencing grace?

What is the difference between authenticity and vulnerability and why does vulnerability work better when we’re trying to help other people?

Key Quotes:

“People can understand grace, but still underestimate the greatness of grace in their own lives.”

“I think what kept me from experiencing the joy of God’s grace and kindness in my life is a refusal to be honest with myself about struggles, about failures, about ways that I have fallen short.”

“To truly experience grace, we have to be in a place that is safe to be vulnerable. And a challenge for a lot of Christian leaders is we don’t feel like we can be vulnerable with each other in front of a church that we’re leading.”

“When I am vulnerable, I can receive grace and other people can find grace.”

“Paul’s discovery of God’s grace did not come through God’s blessing in the way that Paul would have wanted or Paul would have been looking for. It came unexpectedly. It came through disappointment. It came through discouragement. It came when God didn’t respond the way Paul wanted him to—that’s where he discovered the sufficiency of grace.”

“For those of us in ministry, it is a really discouraging job if you don’t have…that kind of confidence in God’s faithfulness and in his sovereignty and his redeeming work. It’s not going to take very long to get worn out and burnt out.”

“The greatest demonstration of God’s grace is not just his provision—it’s his presence.”

Mentioned in the Show:

Grace Is Greater


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Jason serves as the Chief Strategy Officer at PastorServe, a ministry committed to strengthening the Church by serving pastors through personal coaching and church consulting. He also hosts FrontStage BackStage, a podcast and YouTube show, that helps pastors embrace healthy, well-balanced leadership as they develop a sustainable rhythm for life and ministry. Prior to joining the PastorServe team, Jason served as Vice President of Ministry Mobilization at Outreach, Inc., and as the Executive Director of the National Back to Church Sunday movement. Additionally, Jason served for nearly two decades in pastoral leadership, primarily as a lead pastor, in several contexts, including church plant re-launch, multisite church, multiethnic urban church, and an established suburban church. His experience as a lead pastor has provided numerous opportunities to coach and mentor pastors across the country. Jason and his beautiful wife, Monica, are the proud parents of six children and live on Anastasia Island, Florida. @jasondaye