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‘For Sinners by Sinners’ Church Pastored by Active Porn Star and Husband

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A headline that Christ-followers probably hope was stolen from the popular Christian satire site The Babylon Bee is, in fact, very real. Living Faith Church, located in Little Italy in downtown San Diego, California, describes itself as a Christian Charismatic church and is pastored by two entrepreneurs, one of whom is a porn star.

Pastors Stephen and Angela Dela Cruz met while attending Bethany College of the Assemblies of God, a Bible college where Stephen earned his bachelors degree in theology and theological studies. Angela is an ordained minister who is also open about actively working in the adult entertainment industry.

The self-titled entrepreneurs celebrated their 12th wedding anniversary this past June and have spoken openly about how their marriage works on their YouTube channel, which is home to church videos and snippets of Angela promoting her industry’s work.

Related article: 8 Sins You Commit Every Time You Look at Porn

Church Planter Pleased His Wife Is a Porn Star

Stephen describes himself as a CEO, investor, hypnotist, sales trainer, business strategist, motivational speaker & trainer, and a planter of a progressive Christian church. He speaks in a supportive manner about Angela’s profession.

The church’s website describes Living Faith Church’s mission as a church that leads “people to discover their purpose, live in power, and live out their God-given potential!” The slogan reads: “This is a church for sinners by sinners,” then unpacks what that means by saying, “The leaders of this church are the biggest sinners, and this is the most non-judgmental church around!” The site offers little detail about services, location, or ministries, but features invitations for visitors to text or call to connect and offers automated weekly giving options.

Living Faith Church explains in its comprehensive statement of belief that “the Bible is truth without any mixture of error and is completely relevant to our daily lives.” It cites the gospel and references the Bible extensively, similar to other churches’ websites. In videos, Stephen offers a gospel presentation, asking people to pray a “prayer of salvation” after his sermons, and a band plays worship songs most church members are familiar with.

In an Instagram post, Stephen didn’t shy away from his wife’s participation in an industry that goes directly against God’s Word; is known for abusing women, men, children; and promotes sex trafficking. He wrote:

At D.C. Worship Event, Feucht and Trump Request Prayers for America

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During a “Day of Prayer for America” event Sunday, September 12, at the National Mall in Washington, D.C., worship leader Sean Feucht said that despite a “leadership crisis,” the United States is experiencing revival and “a moment of divine destiny from heaven.”

Feucht, who’s been leading public “Let Us Worship” events throughout the pandemic, also addressed pushback he has received, saying the “resistance” proves he is pursuing God’s kingdom and heart.

Timing of Event Was a ‘Total God Setup’

Before Sunday’s event, which thousands of people attended, Feucht and his worship team led prayer at other D.C. sites, including the White House, the Lincoln Memorial, and the U.S. Supreme Court building. Originally, the worship leader had hoped to schedule the D.C. event in October. But when the National Park Service said the only available weekend was September 11 and 12, coinciding with the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Feucht “knew in that moment this was a total God setup.”

His prayer event in the nation’s capital kicked off 21 days of prayer for America. Feucht invited four former U.S. presidents to participate, but only Trump spoke to the crowd (via video). During an eight-minute presentation, the 45th president praised the heroism of 9/11 first responders and military personnel in Afghanistan. He also urged Americans “to pray for our beloved nation and to pray for one another.”

About Trump’s participation, Feucht tells CBN, “I think having the former president give an address where he calls America to pray, honor the fallen, honor the military, which I don’t feel like has been done in a great way from this current administration. We need somebody of that caliber, of that level, to call America to pray, but also to give us some reassurance that we’re not in this thing alone.” Without mentioning President Biden by name, Feucht adds, “I just feel like we’re in the middle of a leadership crisis in America. I think everyone would understand that.”

Speakers Point to OT Accounts for Encouragement

At Sunday’s event, Georgia Pastor Jentezen Franklin compared the current condition of the Christian church in America to the valley of dead, dry bones in Ezekiel. “We’re divided, we’re dry, and we’re dead,” said Franklin, an unofficial former adviser to Trump. “We need a wind from elsewhere…that restores the years that the locust and the cankerworm have taken away.”

Please Pray: Beloved Children’s Pastor Karl Bastian Suffers Stroke Following Heart Attack

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Karl Bastian, popular children’s pastor, president of Kidology.org, author and children’s ministry leadership expert, suffered a stroke on Wednesday, September 15. The stroke follows a heart attack that took place September 5th.

Bastian, who is known for his ebullience, humor, and dedication to children’s ministry and other ministry leaders, posted on his Facebook page on September 7, 2021, that he had suffered a heart attack. Bastian noted in the post that the episode was not his first heart-related incident, saying, “Living in the NOW has been my passion since my first heart episode, and I am being starkly reminded of it’s [sic] necessity again!”

On September 10, Bastian posted a photo celebrating that he had been released from the hospital and was home with family.

On September 15, Bastian’s wife Sara Yount Bastian posted a request for prayer, noting that Bastian has now suffered a stroke. “Thank you friends, for praying with us these last few weeks. We are crying to the Lord and waiting and resting in Him regarding my husband. He’s back in the hospital after having a stroke. (After his heart attack 9/5). So many of you are reaching out and praying and hold [sic] us up.”

There were no updates to his condition at present.

Bastian, who is a familiar face within the children’s ministry community, is affectionately referred to as the “Kidologist.” He has written articles, books, and resources for ministry leaders and, prior to the pandemic, hosted an annual trip to Yosemite National Park for male children’s ministry leaders to refresh and unplug, an experience he calls an “unConference.”

Please join us in prayer for Karl and his family.

NIH Director Dr. Francis Collins on COVID, Vaccines, and Getting Back to Church

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Dr. Francis Collins is a physician-geneticist noted for his landmark discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the international Human Genome Project. He is an elected member of both the National Academy of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences, was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom in November 2007, and received the National Medal of Science in 2009. In 2020, he was elected as a Foreign Member of the Royal Society (UK) and was also named the 50th winner of the Templeton Prize, which celebrates scientific and spiritual curiosity.

Dr. Collins was appointed the 16th Director of the National Institutes of Health by President Barack Obama and confirmed by the Senate. President Donald Trump and President Joe Biden both asked Dr. Collins to continue serving as the NIH Director, and Dr. Collins is the only presidentially appointed NIH director to serve more than one administration. In this role, he oversees the work of the largest supporter of biomedical research in the world, spanning the spectrum from basic to clinical research. 

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Key Questions for Dr. Francis Collins

-Have you gone back to in-person gatherings at church? And if not, what are your thoughts on a timeline for something like that?

-If we can have kids sitting at desks and following mitigations, can we do that in church?

-What’s the best way for pastors and church leaders to encourage vaccination, as well as other precautions against COVID-19 in their communities?

-As a Christian and a scientist, do you think there’s any basis for a Christians, or what would be the basis, to claim a religious exemption from vaccines?

Key Quotes from Dr. Francis Collins

“Gatherings indoors are now riskier than they were before Delta came along, and especially if you have unvaccinated people in the group, they are really at high risk.”

“The consequences of missing out on that personal interaction for educational progress, for social interactions, just for human development as a child, are really significant. Those of us who are adults and are missing our church gathering, we’re suffering too. But if I have to make a priority, it’s getting those kids in school is even higher on my list.”

“It troubles me greatly that somehow we’ve gotten into this big political debate about whether masks need to be worn in school for kids under 12 who can’t be vaccinated, who could therefore get infected and then spread it to others. If we don’t have mask wearing in school, it’s guaranteed we’re going to have outbreaks and then the kids will be back home again, doing the virtual thing that we were trying to avoid. It’s really too bad that it’s turned into such a strange argument that’s going on. But there we are.”

Twitter Permanently Bans Greg Locke, Pro-Trump, Anti-Vax Pastor

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(RNS) — Pastor Greg Locke, known for controversial stands on COVID-19 and the 2020 election, has been banned from the social media giant Twitter.

“Twitter just permanently suspended my account. Welcome to America,” Locke said in a Facebook message posted Tuesday afternoon (Sept. 14).

Pastor of the independent Global Vision Bible Church in Mount Juliet, Tennessee, just east of Nashville, Locke was a relatively unknown figure until he discovered the power of social media in the wake of the 2015 Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage nationally.

His Facebook videos criticizing that decision and follow-up videos about plans by Target to allow transgender people to use the bathroom of their choice went viral, turning Locke into a social media force.

“It’s been a whirlwind,” he told Religion News Service in an interview earlier this year at America’s Revival, a God-and-country conference held in Dallas, where Locke was a featured speaker. “I’ve just been hanging on for the ride.”

Locke has repeatedly mocked those who wear masks to prevent the spread of COVID-19 and has told worshipers that anyone who shows up at his church in a mask will be asked to leave.

The pastor went so far as to post an anti-mask sign outside the 3,000-seat tent where his church holds outdoor services, stating that the church campus is mask-free.

“We celebrate FAITH over FEAR,” the sign reads.

Related article: Greg Locke Tells Church Members ‘I Will Ask You to Leave’ If They Wear a Mask Again

“Don’t believe this delta variant nonsense,” he told worshipers at a July service. “If they go through round two and you start showing up all these masks and all this nonsense, I’ll ask you to leave. I will ask you to leave. I am not playing these Democrat games up in this church. If you want to social distance, go to First Baptist Church, but don’t come to this one.”

While the governor of Tennessee has issued past guidelines limiting the size of large group meetings during the pandemic, churches have been exempt from those statewide restrictions.

Locke has also warned churchgoers not to be vaccinated, referring to the COVID-19 vaccine as an “experimental potion.”

“Do not get vaccinated,” he told his congregation in August. “Do not get vaccinated.”

Locke, whose sermons are also filled with conspiracy theories about the 2020 presidential election — he has called people who believe that Joe Biden won the election “crack-smoking, demon-controlled leftists” — declined to be interviewed about the Twitter ban. In a Facebook Live video, he claimed to be the first pastor to be banned on Twitter and said his banning was an attack on Christians.

If you don’t think persecution is here, you are not paying attention,” he said in the Facebook Live video.  

Judge Blocks Medical Worker Vaccine Mandate in NY State After Christian Health Care Workers Sue

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UTICA, N.Y. (AP) — A federal judge temporarily blocked the state of New York on Tuesday from forcing medical workers to be vaccinated after a group of health care workers sued, saying their Constitutional rights were violated because the state’s mandate disallowed religious exemptions.

Judge David Hurd in Utica issued the order after 17 health professionals, including doctors and nurses, claimed in a lawsuit Monday that their rights were violated with a vaccine mandate that disallowed the exemptions.

The judge gave New York state until Sept. 22 to respond to the lawsuit in federal court in Utica. If the state opposes the plaintiffs’ request for a preliminary court order blocking the vaccine mandate, a Sept. 28 oral hearing will occur.

The state issued the order Aug. 28, requiring at least a first shot for health care workers at hospitals and nursing homes by Sept. 27.

Hazel Crampton-Hays, press secretary to New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, said in a statement that the state was considering all legal options.

“Governor Hochul is doing everything in her power to protect New Yorkers and combat the Delta variant by increasing vaccine rates across the State. Requiring vaccination of health care workers is critical to this battle,” Crampton-Hays said.

Messages seeking comment also were sent to lawyers for the Thomas More Society who filed the lawsuit.

Related article: Biden Says Vaccine Mandates ‘Not About Freedom’; Draws Sharp Faith Leader Response

Dr. Joseph R. Sellers, president of the Medical Society of the State of New York, said in a statement that the nonprofit organization for physicians, residents and medical students was “greatly dismayed by today’s decision.”

“We believe this step will result in a flurry of attempts to circumvent the well-reasoned vaccination requirement that was an important step towards reversing the recent surge attributable to the more easily spread Delta variant,” Sellers said. “No major religious denomination opposes vaccinations, and the Supreme Court has for over 100 years upheld vaccination requirements as a means to protect the public health.”

In their lawsuit, health care professionals disguised their identities with pseudonyms such as “Dr. A.,” “Nurse A.,” and “Physician Liaison X.”

They cited violations of the U.S. Constitution, along with the New York State Human Rights Law and New York City Human Rights Law, because the state Department of Health regulation requiring workers to get the vaccine provided no exemption for “sincere religious beliefs that compel the refusal of such vaccination.”

The court papers said all of the available vaccines employ aborted fetus cell lines in their testing, development or production. But religious leaders have disagreed over the issue and the Vatican issued a statement last year saying the vaccines were “morally acceptable.”

The lawsuit said the plaintiffs wanted to proceed anonymously because they “run the risk of ostracization, threats of harm, immediate firing and other retaliatory consequences if their names become known.”

The plaintiffs, all Christians, included practicing doctors, nurses, a nuclear medicine technologist, a cognitive rehabilitation therapist and a physician’s liaison who all oppose as a matter of religious conviction any medical cooperation in abortion, the lawsuit said.

It added that they are not “anti-vaxxers” who oppose all vaccines.

This article originally appeared at the Associated Press.

God Told Me I Was to Come to Your Church Staff — and Other Crazy Stuff Like That

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“Trust thyself; every heart vibrates to that iron string…” (Ralph Waldo Emerson) Emerson meant well. But boy, did he ever miss it by a country mile. Your heart can do crazy things to your guidance system. Giving it free rein to set the direction of one’s life can be risky. “Trust yourself” is good advice for some people in some situations. As a blanket rule for all people in all situations, no sir. Not even close. The letter came from a minister of music in the next state. I see that your church is looking for a minister of music/worship leader. I serve (name) church in (town, state) and am enclosing my resume. Not long ago as I was in your city, God told me I was to become your next minister of music. I look forward to hearing from you.” That hit me like some woman saying God told her she was to be my next wife. It just doesn’t work that way.

I wrote him back: “Thanks for your letter. As soon as the Lord tells me the same thing, we’ll be in touch.”

Since that was decades ago and life has gone on, one wonders if he is angry at what God told him about or church staff, disappointed in me for not listening to God about our church staff, or perhaps reconsidering his reception of heavenly messages about everything.

“God Told Me” vs Talking to Yourself

It’s always in order to scrutinize whether the voice we are hearing is God’s or someone else’s. Little Leigh Anne asked her preacher grandfather, “Papa, how do you know when it’s God talking to you and when it’s just you talking to yourself?”

Pastor James Richardson hugged her and said, “Honey, that’s one of the hardest things any of us have to learn in this life.”

Have you ever started to board a plane and had a premonition that this plane would crash? I have. I went right on and boarded it and arrived safely. My “premonition”—if that’s what it was—was wrong. And yet, how often we hear of people who obeyed that impulse and canceled the flight and were spared certain death when that plane went down? We hear those stories, but what we do not hear are the countless instances—like mine—where people had the premonition and went against it and arrived safely. So much for premonitions.

I had one that is almost too embarrassing to tell. In fact, this will be the first time I’ve told it, decades after the fact. When you see what it is, you’ll understand why I kept it to myself.

In 1996, our seminary in New Orleans was looking for a new president to succeed Landrum Leavell. They called Charles “Chuck” Kelley Jr., who did an outstanding job for all these years and was now retiring. He was so clearly God’s man for the position, as evidenced in a thousand ways. I’m one of his biggest fans. But earlier that year, I had a sudden impulse that God wanted me to be the president of the seminary. And yes, I thought that was as crazy and as unlikely as you the reader are thinking. But there it was.

The sensation stayed with me. I was pastoring a church on the western edge of metro New Orleans, owned a couple of degrees from our seminary, and had been president of the national alumni. None of these  qualified me to be president of such an august educational institution of course. I was a lifelong pastor and happy to be so. Church pastors and seminary presidents are different animals, although they serve the same Master.

And yet, what was I to do with this constant impulse, this inner awareness, that God had planned for me to become president of the seminary? The answer is: Nothing. I did nothing because it wasn’t up to me. (I can tell you for a fact that I did not want to become president. It was not a subliminal desire. I dreaded the thought. And yet, there it was.)

You can believe that I was relieved when Dr. Kelley was introduced  as the nominee of the seminary’s search committee. As I say, he has made an outstanding president, leading NOBTS through a historic time.

The heart is fickle. That’s the essence of Jeremiah 17:9. “The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked; Who can know it?”

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world…” (I John 4:1)

The next time a television preacher tells God told me about healing you, saving you or empty your bank account, remember those words. Or any preacher, for that matter. Or anyone else. Con men and scam artists come in all varieties and disguises.

Know the Word. Surround yourself with godly and mature men and women who can give you counsel on matters that may perplex you. Do not run after the person who says “God told me to tell you.”

Here are a few verses from Jeremiah 23, where God is rebuking the false prophets among His people who are scamming Israel in exile…

– “Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless. They speak a vision of their own heart, not from the mouth of the Lord.’”  23:16

– “I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran. I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they would have turned them from their evil ways…”  23:21-22

– “I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in my name, saying, ‘I have dreamed. I have dreamed.’… The prophet who has a dream, let him tell a dream. And he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully. What is the chaff (compared) to the wheat?” 23:25-28

Preach the word, friend. And keep your guard up when it comes to hearing (or saying) God told me.

 

This article about what God told me originally appeared here.

Passionate Worship or Purposeful Worship ?

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Passion is caused by intense excitement from the outside, purpose is caused by convictions from the inside. Purpose is intentional, passion is situational. Passion occurs when we feel good, purpose occurs even when we don’t. Passion focuses on what we do, purpose focuses on why we do it. Passion is fleeting, purpose is continuous. So, maybe our worship needs a little less passion and a lot more purpose: purposeful worship.

Worship based on passion waits for feelings to be stirred externally. So, if those feelings are not stirred because congregants don’t know or particularly like the songs, they can even leave the worship service believing worship couldn’t and didn’t occur.

When passion is foundational to our worship, we are tempted to re-create divine moments, events, or even complete seasons based almost completely on the feelings originally stirred so we can elicit or feel that passion again.

Purposeful Worship

Worship based on purpose, however, responds to a relationship that already exists internally. So, we respond not because of what our songs do to us, but instead, because of what Christ has already done in us.

So, purposeful worship means it occurs from the inside out, not the outside in. Thomas a Kempis said it this way, “A good devout person first arranges inwardly the things to be done outwardly.”

 

This article on purposeful worship originally appeared here, and is used by permission.

Sinners in the Hands of Willy Wonka

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Between the efforts of Johnny Depp, Gene Wilder, and Roald Dahl, most of us know that five children entered Willy Wonka’s chocolate factory one cold British morning and experienced a trial like no other. Before the day’s end, four of the children were weighed, measured, and found wanting–their shortcomings revealed to all. The fifth child, Charlie Bucket, was proven kind and virtuous and received a reward beyond all reason. The four rejected children were spoiled, each in their own way. They had “gone bad” the way a peach spoils when left on the kitchen counter too long. In the language of the Scripture, these children were sinners in the hands of Willy Wonka. Wait–did you recoil when you encountered the word sinner? “Oh no!” you protest, “The children had gone bad because their parents had failed them.”

Sinners in the Hands of Willy Wonka

  • Augustus Gloop had been over-fed by a doting mother until he could not control his appetite;

  • Violet Beauregard had been indulged by parents living vicariously through their child;

  • Veruca Salt was a brat because her father had never told her “no;”

  • Mike Teavee was an odious, unruly boy because his parents had surrendered him to the electronic babysitter.

No reader (or viewer) could fault Mr. Wonka for separating the children from the factory: he did not give them the chocolate factory because it would have destroyed the children completely and the children would have damaged the factory–along with those who lived and worked there.

These children were, in the very words of Roald Dahl, “spoiled.” They were not rejected because they broke the house rules; they were sent away because their child-like nature had been corrupted into monstrous distortions of their true potential, their true calling. Willy Wonka did not follow the children about the factory, rulebook in hand, eager to cite them for any violation. He did not enforce regulations or demand perfection. He simply wanted to give away his creation to those capable of stewarding the factory by the virtue of their heart, a heart in tune with the maker.

Positive Reinforcement Ideas: 10 Ways to Encourage Good Behavior

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Classroom management is a vital skill for all teachers, including children’s ministry workers. In the classroom, Sunday school teachers want students to remain focused on the carefully prepared lessons. And the children’s church experience is much more enjoyable and meaningful when kids are attentive. That’s why positive reinforcement ideas are vital for creating a productive, pleasant kidmin environment.

From toddlers and preschoolers to preteens, children respond best to affirmations and words of encouragement. Positive reinforcement ideas also help children associate Jesus and the Bible with peace and joy. On the other hand, scolding and harsh consequences can give kids the impression that church and Sunday school are negative and judgmental settings.

Classroom discipline may sometimes be necessary, but you can choose positive strategies — and nip bad behavior in the bud. Positive reinforcement ideas abound, and they don’t need to involve candy or bribes. Check out these ways to encourage good behavior among your church’s kidmin participants.

10 Fun, Positive Reinforcement Ideas for Children’s Ministry

1. Brag Bracelets

Using paper bracelets with words of praise is a fun, easy, and inexpensive form of positive reinforcement for good behavior and effort. Sunday school students receive an immediate boost of encouragement. Plus, by wearing these bracelets home, kids show parents firsthand the types of kudos they earn.

2. Mystery Reward Board

This classroom management strategy helps students work together as a team to earn surprise treats. Every time the group accomplishes a goal, you remove one sticky note. When you remove all the notes, it reveals the prize underneath.

3. Scent “Stickers”

You can use lip balm as positive reinforcement—without putting it on any lips and without giving away tubes. How? Simply apply a dot of scented balm on the backs of children’s hands for an olfactory treat. These “smelly stickers” work great for when students follow directions, finish a project, express kindness, and so on.

4. Eye Spy Jar

Decorate a glass jar with the words “Eye Spy” and set it in a visible location. Every time you “spy” children behaving or sharing, add a googly eye to the jar. After the jar is full, give the class a treat or prize.

5. Desk Pets

You can transform almost any item into positive reinforcement ideas. Case in point: Miniature animal-shaped erasers work well as Desk Pets that you distribute for “adoption.” Do this near the end of class, and be sure to allow time for kids to play with their new animal friends.

6. Punch Cards

Similar to customer reward cards from restaurants and coffee shops, these reinforcement ideas are easy and tangible. Simply punch a fun shape from each student’s card when you observe good behavior. When the card is complete, let the child select from a goodie box.

7. Blooming Together

Let students vote on a reward, and then write that on the center of a large flower. When kids behave as a large group, add a petal. Continue until the class completes the flower and earns the reward.

8. Warm Fuzzies 

When Sunday school students display good or helpful behavior, add a fuzzy craft pom-pom to a Warm Fuzzy jar. After the jar is full, let the class choose from a variety of rewards.

9. Classroom Coupons

Dole out special privileges by using personalized coupon books. These positive reinforcements are free yet meaningful.

10. Caught Ya!

Finally, consider keeping kids on task with a fishbowl and some “Caught Ya Being Good!” slips. Whenever you catch good behavior, put a child’s name on a slip and add it to the glass bowl. Occasionally select a name or two from the bowl, and then give that person a treat.

What are your favorite positive reinforcement ideas? How do you encourage and reward good behavior? Share tips in the comments below so others can benefit.

 

Evangelical Lutheran Church Installs 1st Transgender Bishop

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Bishop Megan Rohrer speaks to the press before their installation ceremony at Grace Cathedral in San Francisco, Saturday, Sept. 11, 2021. Rohrer is the first openly transgender person elected as bishop in the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America. (AP Photo/John Hefti)

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America installed its first openly transgender bishop in a service held in San Francisco’s Grace Cathedral on Saturday.

The Rev. Megan Rohrer will lead one of the church’s 65 synods, overseeing nearly 200 congregations in Northern California and northern Nevada.

“My call is … to be up to the same messy, loving things I was up to before,” Rohrer told worshippers. “But mostly, if you’ll let me, and I think you will, my hope is to love you and beyond that, to love what you love.”

Rohrer was elected in May to serve a six-year term as bishop of the Sierra Pacific Synod after its current bishop announced his retirement.

“I step into this role because a diverse community of Lutherans in Northern California and Nevada prayerfully and thoughtfully voted to do a historic thing,” Rohrer said in a statement. “My installation will celebrate all that is possible when we trust God to shepherd us forward.”

Rohrer, who uses the pronoun “they,” previously served as pastor of Grace Lutheran Church in San Francisco and a chaplain coordinator for the city’s police department, and also helped minister to the city’s homeless and LGTBQ community. They studied religion at Augustana University in their hometown of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, before moving to California to pursue master and doctoral degrees at the Pacific School of Religion in Berkeley.

Rohrer became one of seven LGBTQ pastors accepted by the progressive Evangelical Lutheran church in 2010 after it allowed ordination of pastors in same-sex relationships. Rohrer is married and has two children.

The church is one of the largest Christian denominations in the United States with about 3.3 million members.

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This story has been updated to correct the name of the church. It is the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, not of America.

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Associated Press religion coverage receives support from the Lilly Endowment through The Conversation U.S. The AP is solely responsible for this content.

This article originally appeared here.

Bob Enyart, ‘Firebrand’ Pastor and Anti-Vax Radio Host, Dies From COVID

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Denver-area pastor and conservative talk-radio host Bob Enyart, who refused to be vaccinated against COVID-19 and successfully fought mask mandates in court, has died from COVID-19. Enyart, who called himself a “right-wing religious fanatic,” said he opposed coronavirus shots because of pro-life concerns. Last fall, Enyart successfully sued the state of Colorado over pandemic-related public health mandates, including capacity limits in churches.

Enyart and his wife were both hospitalized with the virus for more than a week. Denver Bible Church, the congregation Enyart led for more than 20 years, confirmed his illness earlier this month. A September 3 Facebook post mentions “daily” improvements and the anticipation of “a full recovery.” But on Monday, Enyart’s radio co-host confirmed the 62-year-old had passed away. “Heaven’s gain has left an enormous hole here on earth,” writes Fred Williams of the “Real Science Radio” show.

Bob Enyart’s ‘Enduring Legacy’ of Conservatism

Calling Enyart “without question the wisest person I’ve known,” Williams promises that “Bob’s enduring legacy will live on.” Based on media coverage of Enyart, he leaves a legacy as a controversial “firebrand.” During the 1990s, he reportedly traveled to New Zealand to be arrested while displaying a banner that read “Clinton is a Rapist.” And on a previous TV show, he “gleefully read obituaries of AIDS sufferers while cranking [the song] ‘Another One Bites the Dust.’ ”

Enyart, a former director of Colorado Right to Life, once said women who have abortions should face the death penalty. He called for a boycott of COVID vaccines, saying they were “tested…on the cells of aborted babies.” A boycott, he hoped, would “further increase social tension and put pressure on the child killers.”

Before Enyart’s death, his church posted: “We grieve for the poor Lost souls that daydream about dancing around the hospital bed of our Pastor and wish – he suffer greatly, then die.” Although most “messages received by our church have been overwhelmingly favorable,” it adds, the ones filled with “malice” have been “desperately Cruel and Sad.” In early September, Denver Bible Church noted: “When Pastor Bob recovers, his message will go out louder than before, [though] his voice may quiver a bit.”

A Disturbing Trend of Recent Deaths

Enyart is at least the fifth conservative talk-radio host to die from COVID-19. Previously, Marc Bernier, Phil Valentine, Jimmy DeYoung, and Dick Farrel succumbed after publicly opposing vaccines and/or public-health mitigation efforts. All the men were over 60, putting them at higher risk for complications from coronavirus infection. Several lived in states that have been particularly hard hit by the highly contagious delta variant. Some of the hosts had a change of heart about vaccines after they fell ill.

Supporters of the media personalities defend their right to free speech. But critics say the “paranoid rhetoric” and government-bashing are dangerous, especially during a pandemic. “The vaccine isn’t the problem,” says media professor Jerry Del Colliano. “Talk radio is.” Media companies, he adds, “are risking the health of their audiences even as anti-vaxxer bloviators continue to die.”

As for Pastor Enyart, his co-host Williams writes, “The number of lives he touched is immeasurable and I’m sure Jesus has an extra special place for him in heaven. ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.’ ”

Cuban Missionary to Uganda Uses Sports To Teach Bible to Refugees

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While political unrest persists in Cuba, Global Missionary Partner Hector Cabrera, a Cuban, is in Uganda, serving Sudanese refugees with the love of Christ and his God-given talents.

Earlier this summer, Cabrera was sent to partner with IMB missionary Jeremy Taliaferro, whose team serves refugees, most of whom are from South Sudan. Some are from North Sudan, and a handful are from the Democratic Republic of Congo. The majority are animists, who follow traditional African religions. These false religions are also mixed with elements of Christianity. Some of the refugees are Muslim.

Taliaferro’s team partners with Christians within the Sudanese refugee population to strengthen the church. They focus on trauma healing, evangelism, discipleship and church planting. They also work on water wells, build houses for those who are disabled and deliver food to children in schools.

Cabrera’s heart for youth ministry, which began in Cuba, was stirred by the children in the refugee camp.

“I decided to teach them Bible stories using sport,” he said. “… If they need me to repair wells and houses, I do it. But my favorite thing is to play sports with the kids.”

Taliaferro said Cabrera, who plans to live in Uganda at least three years, has been helpful to the team in many ways, bringing diversity and experience. But his sports ministry has perhaps been the most valuable.

“There’s a lot of idle young men who are just standing around with nothing to do during the day.” Taliaferro said. “Hector being able to get out and get them involved in sports and share the Gospel is going to open up lots of doors.”

Cabrera’s time overseas hasn’t been easy, as unrest persists in his home country and COVID-19 remains a threat.

“Cuba is going through a lot of upheaval right now,” Taliaferro said. “I think oftentimes, we tend to think that because our GMPs are internationals, they’re fine when traveling away from home. But he has family back in Cuba.

“There are people who have been sick since he’s been here. He’s seen his country break out into rioting and protests throughout. I’ve seen it weigh heavy on him.

“He deals with the same challenges that we do when we’re here, knowing we’re in a different country and far from home. But knowing that he’s missing out on some things – some important things that are happening in his home country while he’s away serving the Lord – I think that is something that is new and fresh (for Cabrera), and something that we’ve been going through for the last couple months.”

Cabrera – who was sent by Montes des los Olives Baptist Church in Alamar, Cuba, through the sending agency Cuba to the Nations – rests in the knowledge that he’s fully supported by his church during his time overseas.

“Yes, it will be hard, but I’ve already seen God take care of my family, helping them, supplying their needs,” he said. “Our church supports me. Anything I need or my family needs, they are there, always.”

Taliaferro commended the way the Cuban church has supported their missionary, not only financially and through prayer but even in caring for Cabrera’s family in his absence as he helps get the Gospel to the nations.

“I think they’ve really gone above and beyond,” Taliaferro said. “I’m so grateful for the Cuban church and the sacrifices they’re making and how well they’re doing in sending their people. I think it’s been a great testimony to watch and to listen to.”

This article originally appeared at Baptist Press.

Founder of World’s Largest Megachurch, Cho Yong-GI, Dies

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In this Oct. 11, 2013, photo, Rev. Cho Yong-gi attends Grand Prayer Rally for Peace of the Korean Peninsula and for the Hope of the World Church at the World Cup Stadium in Seoul, South Korea. Rev. Cho, whose founding of the biggest South Korean church once stood as a symbol of the post-war growth of Christianity in the country before that achievement was tainted by corruption and scandals, died Tuesday, Sept. 14, 2021. He was 85. (Hong Chan-sun/Newsis via AP)

SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — The Rev. Cho Yong-gi, whose founding of South Korea‘s biggest church was a symbol of the postwar growth of Christianity in the country before that achievement was tainted by corruption and other scandals, died Tuesday. He was 85.

Cho, an emeritus pastor at Seoul’s Yoido Full Gospel Church, died at a Seoul hospital where he had been treated since he collapsed due to a cerebral hemorrhage in July 2020, the church said.

“He conveyed the gospel of hope to the Korean people who fell into despair after the Korean War,” the church said in a statement. “He was instrumental in growing the Korean church, particularly developing Yoido Full Gospel Church as the world’s largest church.”

Better known as David Yonggi Cho or Paul Yonggi Cho abroad, the late pastor started his church in Seoul with five worshippers in 1958, when South Korea was still struggling to rebuild itself from the ashes of the 1950-53 Korean War. Under his leadership, the church achieved explosive growth and become a symbol of the rapid growth of Christianity in what was then a deeply Confucian country.

In 1993, the church had more than 700,000 members, making it the world’s biggest church congregation according to Guinness World Records, the church said. Church officials said its membership has since declined to about 600,000 and that they cannot confirm whether their church remains the world’s largest.

It’s still the largest Protestant church in South Korea. Church officials said it has 400 pastors and evangelists in South Korea and 500 missionaries abroad.

Despite his achievement, Cho and his family have been embroiled in scandals in recent years.

In 2017, he was convicted of breach of trust and causing financial losses to the church but avoided jail as he received a suspended prison term. In 2013, a female politician filed a paternity suit against one of his sons. His family has also faced long-running criticism that they dominated key posts at the church and other church-related organizations.

In 2008, Cho stepped down as the church’s top pastor and a non-family member succeeded him in what the church called “an unprecedented, democratic” power transition. In South Korea, many church founders hand over their leadership positions to their children.

Lee Hunjoo, secretary-general of the Christian Alliance For Church Reform, a Seoul-based NGO, said the fast rise of Cho’s church led other churches in South Korea to push excessively to expand their own congregations.

“It’s true that the Rev. Cho did meaningful work for Korean churches,” Lee said. “But in some sense, megachurches in South Korea began with Cho’s Yoido Full Gospel Church.”

According to a 2015 government census, Protestantism was the biggest religion in South Korea, followed by Buddhism and Catholicism. There were about 9.7 million Protestants at the time, accounting for nearly 20% of the country’s then 49 million people.

Cho is survived by three sons. His funeral is set for Saturday, and the church will receive mourners from Wednesday, according to the church.

By HYUNG-JIN KIM Associated Press

This article originally appeared at the Associated Press.

Head of SBC Executive Committee Questions Messengers’ Resolution in Abuse Investigation

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The Rev. Ronnie Floyd, president of the SBC Executive Committee, addresses the annual meeting, Tuesday, June 15, 2021, in Nashville. RNS photo by Kit Doyle

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (RNS) — In the fall of 2020, Ronnie Floyd, president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Executive Committee, wrote an essay describing the leadership structure of the nation’s largest Protestant denomination.

In the essay, he cited a cherished ideal held by Southern Baptist pastors: “The local church is the headquarters of our Southern Baptist Convention.”

“If we ever invert this order in our mindset and practice, then we will begin a downhill slide that may become irreversible,” wrote Floyd, whose agency oversees the work of the convention between the SBC’s annual meetings.

“Churches operate under the Lordship of Jesus Christ, not under Baptist bodies who exist to assist these churches in their work of the Great Commission.”

Now, an investigation into the Executive Committee’s handling of sexual abuse claims over the past two decades may test Floyd’s commitment to that ideal.

Over the past two years, the SBC has been rocked by a sex abuse scandal, following an investigation by the Houston Chronicle that detailed hundreds of abuse cases in Southern Baptist churches. That led SBC leaders to hold a service of lament and to launch a new denominational program to care for abuse survivors. The denomination also set up a system to cut loose any church that had covered up or mishandled abuse.

Earlier this year, the SBC Executive Committee ousted a pair of churches that employed pastors who had been abusers.

But abuse advocates claimed that SBC leaders themselves had to answer for mistreatment of abuse survivors and how they mishandled claims of abuse. Those claims were repeated in letters from former Baptist ethicist Russell Moore, which became public after his departure from the SBC’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.

Local church delegates — known as messengers — to the SBC’s annual meeting in Nashville, Tennessee, in June rejected plans by the Executive Committee to hire an outside firm to review its handling of abuse claims and treatment of abuse survivors.

Instead, the messengers instructed SBC newly elected President Ed Litton, an Alabama pastor who holds a mostly ceremonial role, to appoint a task force to oversee an independent investigation of the Executive Committee. That committee, according to a motion approved by the messengers, is responsible for hiring an outside firm for the investigation and setting the boundaries of the investigation.

The task force was also directed to agree to follow best practices suggested by the outside firm they hired, “including but not limited to the Executive Committee staff and members waiving attorney client privilege in order to ensure full access to information and accuracy in the review.”

On Thursday (Sept. 9), the task force announced it had completed the first part of its mandate by hiring Guidepost Solutions, an international consulting firm, to carry out the investigation and waived its attorney-client privilege in all communications with Guidepost or the Executive Committee, according to a letter of agreement between the task force and Guidepost.

But in public statements and written communication to Executive Committee members, Floyd has not committed to waiving the committee’s attorney-client privilege in its contacts with Guidepost. Floyd also raised questions about whether doing so would violate SBC bylaws.

Blocked From Serving Their Church, Catholic Women Push for Female Deacons

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Casey Stanton, left, and the Rev. Mario Gomez, OFM, raise up the prayers people have written down at the culmination of a 3-night parish retreat at Immaculate Conception Parish in Durham, North Carolina, in March 2020. Photo by John Witchger

(RNS) — Casey Stanton wanted to offer encouragement, love and healing to the inmates at the North Carolina Correctional Institution for Women, where she served as a chaplain intern a few years ago.

But as a Catholic woman she could not represent her church there in any official capacity.

The state of North Carolina requires chaplains in its state prison system to be ordained. And the Catholic Church does not ordain women — neither as priests, nor as deacons.

Stanton, who is 35 and holds a master of divinity from Duke Divinity School, is not seeking to become a priest, which canon law forbids. She would, however, jump at the chance to be ordained a deacon — a position that would allow her and other women to serve as Catholic chaplains in prisons, hospitals and other settings.

“I’d like to be able to represent the church in these places where I feel like we’re called to go,” Stanton said.

She tried the Veterans Affairs hospital next. But there too, she found a similar obstacle to full-time chaplaincy.

“I thought I could find some workaround,” she said.  Instead, she added, Catholic chaplaincy “felt like a dead-end.”

In April, Stanton co-founded Discerning Deacons, an organization that urges conversation in the Catholic Church around ordaining women deacons. Stanton hopes it might add to ongoing efforts on multiple continents to restore women to the ordained diaconate, which the church in its early centuries allowed.

On Monday (Sept. 13), a new commission set up by Pope Francis to study women in the diaconate began meeting for one week in Rome. It is the fourth group since the 1970s to discuss ordaining women deacons, and many are hoping they will release their recommendations publicly so the church can lay the groundwork for restoring the order.

Francis has repeatedly called for a greater female presence in church leadership, and while he has continued church teachings against women priests, he changed church law to allow women to be installed as lectors, to read Scripture, and to serve on the altar as eucharistic ministers.

Up until the 12th century, the Catholic Church ordained women deacons, although by then their service was mostly restricted to women’s monasteries. Some Orthodox churches that split from the Catholic Church in the 11th century still do. In the New Testament Book of Romans, the Apostle Paul introduces Phoebe as a “deacon of the church at Cenchreae.” He also names Priscilla and Aquila among other women given titles of “fellow workers.”

In the 1960s, the Second Vatican Council reinstated the role of deacon for men. (It had previously reserved the diaconate as a transitional ministry for men studying to be priests) but not for women.

Partly due to the shortage of priests, there is growing momentum to restore women to the diaconate. At the 2019 Synod of Bishops for the Pan-Amazon region, a large number of bishops requested the permanent diaconate for women. Many are now hoping the next synod, which will culminate in Rome in 2023, will take up the issue again.

“If the church expresses its need, the Holy Father would have an easier time restoring women deacons,” said Phyllis Zagano, senior research associate-in-residence at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York, and the foremost expert on women deacons in the Catholic Church.

The work of the deacon as defined by canon law is to minister to the people of God in word, liturgy and charity. Though not a paid position in most instances, it does require a person to undergo a course of study and a laying on of hands through ordination.

Unless the Lord Builds the House – A Meditation

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Unless the Lord builds the house, the builders labor in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city, the guards stand watch in vain. (Psalm 127:1)

Unless the Lord . . . builds the church, we labor in vain. What better verse to meditate upon regarding our ministries?

Unless the Lord:

. . . pastors the church, the pastors shepherd in vain.

. . . preaches, the preachers preach in vain.

. . . leads the small group, the leaders lead in vain

. . . makes his presence known in worship, the worship leaders sing in vain.

. . . welcomes people as they arrive, the greeters greet in vain.

. . . teaches the children, the teachers teach in vain.

. . . provides for the church, the financial team systematizes in vain.

. . . draws people, the advertisers and social marketers strategize in vain.

. . . meets the needs of the disenfranchised, the social activists advocate in vain.

. . . brings unity, those working for racial reconciliation labor in vain.

. . . speaks, the prophets prophesy in vain.

. . . guides, the spiritual directors direct in vain.. . .  pulls together volunteers, the team leaders organize in vain.

. . . preaches the Gospel, the evangelists evangelize in vain.

. . . writes the articles, the bloggers blog in vain.

. . . writes the books, the authors write in vain.

. . . writes the songs, the songwriters write in vain.

. . . podcasts, the podcasters record in vain.

. . . holds together, spouses fulfill their vows in vain.

. . . raises children, the parents parent in vain.

Unless the Lord builds the house . . . is a great phrase to meditate upon.

 

This article originally appeared here, and is used by permission.

Spiritual Influences on Kids: Who Impacts Them Most?

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As they grow up, children encounter many significant influences. But who impacts them the most in terms of faith? When it comes to spiritual influences on children, the two biggest are their family and friends.

Spiritual Influences: Family

No one has more influence on children than their parents. In a day when church is optional and many parents assume the church will be the biggest spiritual influence on their children, we must help parents see this: God has called them to be the primary spiritual influences on their child’s heart and life.

This means if you want to influence children, then you must influence their parents. This happens by being focused on parents. Let’s think about this together: If parents are one of the biggest spiritual influences, why would we not put at least 50% of our efforts into equipping parents.

Take a close look at this. In a typical week, how much of your kidmin effort and focus is zoomed in on parents? It would be very helpful for you to see what percentage of your children’s ministry time is spent influencing parents. Track it for a month or so and see what your results are. 95% kids vs. 5% parents effort? 75% kids vs. 25% parents efforts? 65% kids vs. 35% parents efforts? 50% kids vs. 50% parents efforts?

We always talk about how some parents drop off their kids for us to do their job spiritually.  But perhaps we’re doing the same thing? We’re “dropping off” parents at the adult ministry and asking them to train parents to lead their children spiritually.

Helping Parents in Their Role as Spiritual Influences

As children’s ministry leaders, we must step up and take the initiative. Let’s help parents be the primary spiritual influences in their child’s life.

What if you sat down with the adult ministry and asked to partner with them to influence parents? How about working together to host parenting classes? What if you partnered with adult ministry to offer financing and budgeting classes for parents? Or partnered with the women’s ministry to host a mother-child event? Or partnered with the men’s ministry to have a father-child camping trip?

Get to Know You Games: Top 10 Icebreaker Activities for Youth

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Similar to icebreakers, get to know you games help teenagers mingle and find out a little bit about each other. These fun activities might simply introduce names or go a bit deeper. They’re great for breaking the ice and helping new kids feel welcome, especially at the beginning of the ministry year.

Some criteria I consider for choosing the best get to know you games include:

  • how well the games facilitate players learning about each other, whether that’s simply names or something more,
  • how well the games provide a springboard for conversation after they’re over,
  • whether the games work for groups that mostly already know each other, as well as for groups that have never met before,
  • how fun the get to know you games are to play, and
  • how much work is involved in setting up the games.

Have fun with these 10 get to know you games for teens!

10. Penny for Your Thoughts

This is an interesting game involving coins and facts. It might take a little bit of setup time (collecting the right coins), but with the right bunch of kids it works really well.

9. Mingle Mingle Mingle

If you’re up for some chaos with your group, then this is another great icebreaker game for you. Players need to continually repeat an answer to a question about themselves and find other people who are answering the same thing. The positive aspect of the game is how chaotic it can get. The negative aspect of the game is how chaotic it can get!

8. Shoe Talk

For funny get to know you games, this one is a sure bet. Play it with a fairly confident group of people, as it involves taking off a shoe, picking up another shoe, and finding the owner. It also might be wise to play this one when the weather is cooler, to avoid stinky shoe situations! This game is a favorite of mine, because it’s a great way to randomly mix up the players.

7. Get to Know You Bang

“Bang!” encourages kids to react quickly. This is a modification of the classic game that helps kids get to know everyone’s names really well. It’s good because there’s pressure on everyone, not just the new kids, to remember names. The kids who’ve been hanging around for years still might find themselves forgetting names under the pressure.

6. Never Have I Ever

This get to know you game is quick to explain and quick to play. Also, it helps get kids moving and mingling. Plus, it’s a fun way to form random groups or pairs at the end of the game. That’s because players are moving to different seats and sitting next to different people during the game.

5. Mix & Meet

Chocolate is always a great way to break the ice and help people bond. This game uses M&M’s chocolate candies to get youth group members to interact with one another about their different “favorites.” The activity doesn’t put too much pressure on anyone, can be really funny, and has CHOCOLATE! I highly recommend it for a small-group situation.

4. Speed Dating With a Twist

If you want a straightforward talking game without any bells and whistles, then this is the get to know you youth group game for you. Pair kids up, give them some questions or discussion topics, give them one minute to chat, and then rotate. Simple and effective!

3. Team Architect

Although this may be a bit of a wildcard entry in this category, I think it works really well. The game involves getting teams of kids to work together to build something. It’s a fantastic team-building game, as the name implies. But it also belongs in get to know you games because it provides opportunities for people to interact while working together to achieve something. Teens have an opportunity to showcase their personalities and gifts in a way that other youth group games don’t allow.

2. Two Truths and a Tale

This is probably my all-time favorite small-group get to know you game. I’ve played this at countless camps as the first icebreaker activity for my small group. It really gives the group a good insight into how each member thinks, what’s important to them, and what they like to talk about. And as a leader, with the amount of times I’ve played it, I don’t even need to think that hard to come up with my own truths and a tale (lie). I highly recommend this get-to-know-you icebreaker game!

1. Name Bingo

Try this fun activity that’s quick to explain and quick to play. It also gets kids moving and mingling. Bonus: This game is a good way to form random groups or pairs at the end of the game. Players are moving to different seats and sitting next to different people throughout the game.

What other get to know you games do you enjoy playing in your youth group? Share ideas in the comments below!

This article originally appeared here.

Francis Collins ‘A Bit’ Frustrated With Evangelicals Amid COVID-19 Vaccine Push

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(RNS) — A day after President Joe Biden announced sweeping policy changes to continue to address the COVID-19 pandemic, one of his administration’s top health officials said he doesn’t expect widespread use of religious exemptions to get around them.

Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Institutes of Health, also acknowledged Friday (Sept. 10) that he is “a bit” frustrated with fellow evangelicals who have hesitated or refused to get the vaccine, even as the delta variant has led to an average of more than 1,000 U.S. deaths a day.

Collins said he hopes the “much more muscular requirements” will make “a big difference” in reducing the number of unvaccinated Americans, noting the country needs to vaccinate at least five times the 800,000 who are being vaccinated daily in order to overcome the variant.

Among the new policies is an “emergency rule” Biden said the Labor Department will develop to require U.S. businesses with 100 or more employees to mandate their staffs are fully vaccinated or show weekly they have tested negative for COVID-19.

Collins spoke to Religion News Service about how that rule might affect religious organizations, how clergy can help congregants view vaccinations and how part of his “calling” is to encourage religious groups to work to end the pandemic.

The interview has been edited for length and clarity.

President Biden said on Thursday that “this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated,” and you have urged your fellow evangelicals to get vaccinated as an ” opportunity to do something for your neighbors.” But studies have shown white evangelicals are among the most resistant and hesitant toward the COVID-19 vaccine. Does this make you frustrated with your fellow believers?

Well, to be honest, it does a bit. But I’m also trying to be sure I’m listening carefully to what the concerns are because I don’t think lecturing is probably the best way to get people to change their minds. It is odd because evangelicals generally believe strongly in this love-your-neighbor principle. And we do know if we want to get this terrible pandemic to come to an end, it’s going to require all of us to get engaged in getting immune, and the best way to do that is with a vaccination. And by vaccinating yourself you’re also providing protection to the people around you who are depending on you not to spread that virus to them, particularly people who are immunocompromised from cancer or organ transplants or kids under 12 who can’t be vaccinated yet.

There have been some reports of pastors with near-death experiences with COVID  who have changed their mind about their resistance to the vaccine at that point. Is their example what it might take for some people to roll up their sleeves?

I think every person’s got a somewhat different threshold for what it’s going to take. It’s often somebody they trust, who’s willing to talk with them, listen to the concerns — much of which are fed by conspiracies on social media that basically don’t have any truth to them but are troubling if you’ve heard them several times — and then basically get the confidence of that person that the evidence really is in favor of this. And that, for somebody who’s a believer, this is what you could call an answer to prayer. If we’ve all been praying to God to somehow deliver us from this terrible pandemic, and what happens is these vaccines get developed that are safe and effective, well, why wouldn’t you want to say, “Thank you, God” and roll up your sleeve?

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